Re: [documentliberation-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ODF compatibility tests

On 05/03/2014 08:41 AM, Inge Wallin wrote:
> On Friday, May 02, 2014 17:14:43 Jay Philips wrote:
> > On 05/02/2014 04:46 PM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > > Hi Jay,
> > I too blame MS word first, but if Calligra Words whose native format is
> > ODF is showing it the same as MS word, where do i go from there. There
> > was also problems opening Calligra Words files in LibO, which i have
> > reported as bugs, but dont know whether i should blame Calligra or LibO.
> If the file is valid ODF according to the validator then you have to blame
> LibO. Both LibO and AOO are pretty rigid sometimes and don't accept perfectly
> valid ODF input. I have found this especially to be the case when the writing
> application (e.g. Calligra) doesn't specify all formatting options even when
> they are not used.

According to the validator, these were the only errors from my most 
recent test files:

Word 2010 (odf 1.1)
Error: The file 'mimetype' shall not be listed in the 
'META-INF/manifest.xml' file as it does not exist in the ODF package 
'Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise [odt].odt'!
Error: The file 'META-INF/manifest.xml' shall not be listed in the 
'META-INF/manifest.xml' file as it does not exist in the ODF package 
'Xiamen_Tungsten_Group_unifies_enterprise [odt].odt'!

Word 2013 (odf 1.2)
Error: element "manifest:manifest" is missing "version" attribute

> I work on Calligra myself and where I found the most problems of this case was
> with charts but I'm sure there are other cases too. I just cannot come up with
> them from the top of my head.

With my testing, the biggest problem i've found is with tables being 
crushed flat when opening Calligra saved odf files in LibO. Please do 
have a look at this bug report for further details of 
this:https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77855

> > >         Anyhow - thanks for your work ! hopefully it results in some good
> > >
> > > improvements over time.
> > Its been my pleasure. 43 bugs and counting, mainly just compatibility
> > issues and a few crashes.Wish i could send in more enhancement
> > suggestions, but i dont use office suits. :)
> This type of testing is very interesting.  I would be very grateful if you
> could also report any bugs you find in Calligra when you test that.

Initially i was testing calligra but found that it had quite a bit of 
problems with opening docx and could only save to odf, which meant 
testing calligra would be quite limited as i'm testing docx strict, docx 
transitional, doc, odt 1.1, odt 1.2, odt 1.2 extended, and rtf, so i 
recently dropped it from my tests. Here are the tweet results of my 
first 3 tests where i tested calligra, as well as links to all the files 
used in the tests.

test1: 
http://www.microsoft.com/investor/downloads/events/Credit_Suisse_2013_Technology_Conference_Terry_Myerson.docx
test1: @calligrasuite reduce it to 8 pages due to paragraph line 
spacing, but reopened odf successfully
test1: @calligrasuite removed dashes on multiple pages like at "terms of 
getting -- our"
test1: opened @calligrasuite docx to odt in @libreoffice and it opened 
successfully
test1: opened @libreoffice docx to odt in @calligrasuite and it came out 
perfectly
test1: opened @libreoffice docx to rtf in @calligrasuite had incorrect 
page size, all '--' were removed, and size of double spaces was off
test1: opened @libreoffice docx to doc in @calligrasuite, size of double 
spaces was off, '--' visible but have extra padding to the right
test1 results @calligrasuite: B- for acceptable display, good opening of 
conversions, and good opening of other conversions
< 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAlVkdpTGpsazlmdUE/edit?usp=sharing 
>

test2: 
http://www.microsoft.com/investor/reports/ar13/docs/2013_Annual_Report.docx
test2: @calligrasuite has the .docx set at 109 pages, it displayed 1 of 
3 images in the file and the pdf had 0 images
test2: @calligrasuite text paragraph spacing is off, there are problems 
with table text spacing and separators
test2: @calligrasuite reopened the converted odf file successfully, but 
still with all the same problems
test2: opened @calligrasuite odf in @libreoffice and it has 382 pages as 
the tables were crushed and only the first image showed up
test2 results @calligrasuite: D for acceptable display but corrupted 
images, perfect opening of conversion, but saved odf not good in LibO
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAlMzVHZWo5WGo0RlU/edit?usp=sharing 
>

test3: 
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/rus/microsoft4you/How_to_license_the_operating_system_Windows_8_new.docx
test3: @calligrasuite wasnt able to show first page document title, had 
incorrect page size, and no footers - http://img.ly/yFwK
test3: @calligrasuite reopened the converted odf file successfully 
without changes
test3: opened @calligrasuite odf in @libreoffice and it has 24 pages as 
tables are crushed flat and first page document heading is missing
test3 results @calligrasuite: B for acceptable display of document text 
but not of document title, headers, and footers
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAlN1NDNkFBZFhPVWM/edit?usp=sharing 
>

I wouldnt mind adding calligra back to the tests if i could email my 
findings to someone in calligra (which i'm currently doing for kingsoft 
office), as filling LibO bug reports and follow up is taking quite alot 
of my time, and initially it wasnt my intent to file bugs. Personally i 
think that we should all back one library for the import and export of 
office documents in order to reduce duplication of efforts. This would 
speed up improvements to the library and eliminate compatibility issues 
between FOSS office suites, so apps can differentiate themselves with UI 
design and functionality. I'm assuming that might not always be possible 
due to licensing issues.

> > >         ATB,
> > >         
> > >                 Michael.
> > Jay


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